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Post by Zorayda on Oct 16, 2015 20:20:07 GMT
...guys, what if this is before the events of TLKII when Simba was still really, uh... grumpy, I guess, and Kion leaves Pride Rock before TLKII's events start? o.o
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Post by Zorayda on Oct 16, 2015 20:20:57 GMT
wait, no, we saw Kiara's birth in TLKII. Pleh, this really messes with the timeline.
...AU time errbody
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Post by Lyonize on Oct 17, 2015 2:12:19 GMT
I mean, there are two big gaps in TLK2. There's the unknown amount of time between the beginning scene where they present Kiara and the scene where she comes running out of pride rock. Then there's the unknown amount of time between We Are One and Kiaras First hunt. Keep in mind that the time we see Kiara as a cub spans no more than a day. Not even 12 hours. The first time we see Kiara, it looks like it's about noon. At the end of We Are One, it's dusk ON THE SAME DAY. Also, half the time we see Kiara as a cub, she's in the outlands, where Kion wouldn't think of going. I definitely think it's possible for Kion to exist in TLK2 during this general time. He doesn't have to have been mentioned in this 6-8 hour period of screen time. But it still annoys me a little bit that Kion is never mentioned in the 2nd half of TLK2. He's kinda the most powerful being in the known universe (according to those who live in the pridelands) and he's never mentioned. So I have two theories. 1. Kion just sort of goes off and does his own thing, safely following the rules and staying on the path his dad marked for him so he's never around when Simba has to knock some sense into Kiara which, is pretty much the only thing we see when Kiara is in the pridelands. Simba watches Kiara like a hawk because she's the one who gets into trouble and disobeys her dad. ( Looks like some things never change) Kion can do pretty much whatever he wants because Simba trusts him. Simba's not worried about him at all. Now, Kion has to leave at some point. There's no way to explain his absence while Kiara is grown up except that he just went away... somewhere. The Lion Guard would be there to help with the fire and you can be sure they'd be there during the final battle. And you better BELIEVE Kion wouldn't let his sister date some ruffian from the outlands without meeting him first. (Somebody please write that fanfic) 2. Kion dies before Kiara grows up. Another little, slightly off-topic thing I'd like to see in TLG. I don't have to see Kovu to be satisfied. If his existence is acknowledged, that'll be enough for me. I kinda want to see Kion tease Kiara about his crush on Kovu. (try saying that 5 times fast. God all these K names!) "Kovu and Kiara sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G" |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 3:56:58 GMT
Ok im going to express my deep feelings about all this cause im cant take this feeling anymore, I really am having a hard time accepting with what is, but it really does *swearing reported to admin* me off that there had to be new animators, and that's the real cause to alot of the issues here for us advanced TLK fans.
Its really bothering me that they didn't take the structures and designs of the original characters enough,they are too Simple and half fast looking, Simba's eye brows and pupils are to big, talk about an eye sore. Notice how Mufasa looks PERFECT, they got him right, big thick chin, small eyes, he and the voice is spot on. And I like how the legend of the lion guard was always made of lions as Simba has said, I prefer that over different animals and they had to do this, yeah I don't like the defying tradition part, because Im always about the lions.(favorite animal, duh of course), and this TLG team will be the spot light of all merchandise of course just like Timon Pumbaa and Simba were. I'm upset how they have made Fuli look like and anorexic jaguar, that's what I heard someone say and they also said kids don't know yet the difference between rosettes on a leopard/jaguars and the spots on a cheetah, So ive said it before and im gonna say it again, im big on accuracy and details.
Now the only problem I have with the hyenas is that there isnt a female leader. and the then there is that roar of the elders but we have already talked about that, as well as Kiara being a cub which bothers me the most for my character. WHY DID THIS HAVE TO BE FOR 2 TO 7 YEAR OLDS WHY NOT UUUUUS, WHAT ABOUT US!? I am really getting more mad with Disney and how they don't care or want to listen to other fans. lion king is my second religion, and its a big part of my life and my world. and I had ALOT of Experience with fan art, and reading ALOT of fan fiction that were REALLY good stories, and have learned to accept some twists here and there. through out my whole lion king fandom life, I just want even more out of the movie I love and to go deeper into it as much as you possibly can. I had TLK wishes and TLG only granted half of them. All I ever wanted and wished for is for TLK to be just as popular as star wars, Harry Potter and Frozen, and it really <3 <3 <3 me off the TLK couldn't be even more open to more possibilities, but now with what I see with TLG and how its not fitting the second movie, I fear its just going to ruin it all and kill TLK all together. See I have noticed its always the humans movies that get the attention not the animals, and that makes animals not appreciated enough and I HATE IT!, I'm sure you know how that feels if your a die hard animal/lion lover.
How do we get used to this change, and the more I think about the more it really does come down to a behind the scenes look at what why they did what they did. These people behind TLG have alot of explaining to do. Most of all it just really breaks my heart that TLG is really happening now been without this whole world wide TLK fandom community is not recognized enough, and the rest of the fandom are. After seeing the trailer my mind has been a emotional roller coaster with Yes im excited actually not really but yes ....no.....its just really bringing me down right now, I'm having a hard time being happy now. If im not the only one who feels this way, well How does a fan like me get through this feeling without giving up on her #1 movie all together. How will we ever adjust to this? I know I might be sounding selfish here but I just need help and advice from my dearest fan team.
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Post by Zorayda on Oct 20, 2015 4:35:30 GMT
Well, we got TLK I, II, and 1.5. Disney needs to move on to other things and target different audiences, it's how they thrive as a business and that's what it's about. We had our time and enjoyed TLK, now it's time for the next generation to enjoy it. I, for one, appreciate that they're doing anything more to do with the TLK franchise AT ALL, because they don't have to with all the new shows and movies they have. The stylistic choices bring something new and fresh to the board and are easier for new generations of animators to reproduce, and it also gives them a chance to shine with their design skills and such. Also, Mufasa was voiced by James Earl Jones, so he is literally the same voice.
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Post by Kirsui on Oct 21, 2015 20:23:14 GMT
I'm just briefly popping in to toss in this comment: Maybe this time we'll eventually (maybe) actually hear what the heck happened to drive the hyenas off of the elephant graveyard.  As far as I'm aware, that was never addressed in the films, but I remember Nuka talking about how the hyenas had left the graveyard. Personally I always assumed the outlanders drove them away, but.... yes. xD It's a far-fetched wish, for sure, but one can dream, yes? xD |
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Post by abalancedbreakfast on Oct 22, 2015 0:40:51 GMT
WHY DID THIS HAVE TO BE FOR 2 TO 7 YEAR OLDS WHY NOT UUUUUS, WHAT ABOUT US!? Whoah there, calm down. Remember, the disney company wants to cash in on that mickey mouse money, and the way to do that is to appeal to the people who watch the disney channel the most: 2 to 7 year olds. Just try to remember, the world by and large doesn't care about individuals. |
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Post by The-odd-crow on Oct 22, 2015 9:21:48 GMT
@gothprincesskiara it's not the end of the world, and the show is really well done if you ask me. I mean they even got James Earl Jones back! how awesome isen't that? ^^ The style is different sure and not everyone is gonna like it, but as others already have said it's for a younger audience and that art style is more appealing to them. Generally I think they've done a marvelous job on the art style! And I love that Kion looks so much like Mufasa  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 15:03:32 GMT
Lets take notice of the animals in TLG, they look pretty dang accurate compared to the original actual characters there are almost as good as the ones in the films
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Post by Leorgathar on Oct 24, 2015 19:09:55 GMT
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Post by Lyonize on Oct 30, 2015 1:38:15 GMT
Finally, a picture of Zuri (with Tiifu).  Here's where I found the image.A reverse google search of the image didn't yield many results. I can't find any other info on the picture. Keep an eye out for some news regarding this picture. |
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Post by Tamber on Oct 30, 2015 2:53:52 GMT
Wow...that's about as heteronormative as it gets.  |
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Post by abalancedbreakfast on Oct 30, 2015 3:07:57 GMT
Wow...that's about as heteronormative as it gets.  >it's a children's show about cartoon lions >calm down besides, it's only one character. I mean, damn, it's kind of nitpicking. Fuli is a vital member to the Lion Guard, and she's a girl. I'm willing to gamble that she's a pretty strong and independent character as well. Besides, there are people like this in real life. |
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Post by Tamber on Oct 30, 2015 3:48:12 GMT
>it's a children's show about cartoon lions >calm down besides, it's only one character. I mean, damn, it's kind of nitpicking. Fuli is a vital member to the Lion Guard, and she's a girl. I'm willing to gamble that she's a pretty strong and independent character as well. Besides, there are people like this in real life. ...was I uncalm? As a woman, I tire of highly gendered female characters. Hence my response. I'm not sure why you need to be defensive about this. "High maintenance," "fashionable," and "sassy" are concepts overwhelmingly associated with femininity. To call this heteronormative is not even an opinion - it's a matter of fact. This is all I'm going to say about this - I'm not interested in arguing about portrayals of women with someone who speaks as if the issue isn't important. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 3:51:10 GMT
notice how they have unique facial marking unlike any other TLK character, they are so adorable and cute
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Post by Zorayda on Oct 30, 2015 5:15:41 GMT
On the girly-girl thing for Zuri--yeah, as a woman myself, it does get a bit tiresome that this becomes the "trope" of cartoon girls :/ Would be nice to see better representation, but seeing as there are quite a few female characters that may all be completely different personalities, I can overlook that, especially if Zuri has depth of personality  In any case, I love their designs~! I can't wait to see fanart come out of this  |
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Post by cheezeegriff on Oct 30, 2015 5:28:43 GMT
Wow...that's about as heteronormative as it gets. I don't know if I'm the only one, but 'sassy' people annoy the poop out of me. In real life, too. Give me characters that are a little crazy with a good sense of humour any day. |
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Post by Lyonize on Oct 30, 2015 6:11:53 GMT
You guys need to watch MLP if you haven't. Only one out of the six main characters (Rarity) has that "girly" "fashionable" "sassy" nature, and even then, she has more depth than other characters. For example, she represents generosity in the show while other shows might show characters of this type as being materialistic and greedy. I get that girls are shown as the "high maintenance" type all the time but Rarity takes that trope and makes it only one facet of her personality. Female characters can realistically have those qualities while also being interesting. Its totally possible. As far as being heteronormative, ( assuming you're going by this definition of the word) characters of this personality type can totally be homosexual. Zuri can definitely be girly and fashionable and sassy. That's completely fine. But if that's all she is, that's when the character becomes annoying. She needs to have strengths as well as weaknesses. While we're on the topic of character tropes, I don't want to see Kion become the flawless antagonist. So far, from what we have seen of the show, he seems too perfect. I remember watching Sword Art Online and getting super *swearing reported to admin* (Edit: is there a list of words we're not allowed to use somewhere?) that Kirito had almost no flaws and his mistakes magically had no negative impact on him. He was literally the most powerful character in the show which made every fight he was in boring. Before I go on a rant about it, here's Digibro's video about it which I completely agree with.I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY don't want Kion to be like Kirito. He's got to have flaws and he's gotta learn from his mistakes. Sorry, this went on a lot longer than I intended.  |
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Post by Ruby_Fehu on Oct 30, 2015 9:07:07 GMT
Alright guys let's not turn this into a feud I'm going to stop it before it has the chance to escalate. You all have valid points but kids probably don't really know that, that is girly (mostly) or whatever, yes her named traits are rather stereotypical of a female but I do know guys who share the traits of Zuri and are straight, (a lot of my male friends are incredibly sassy for example). What we also need to remember is all the characters in lion king 1, 2 and 3 are incredibly in depth characters. The producers all made sure of that. So, personally I think it's safe to say that Zuri, Kion and all the other characters will have a lot of depth. As well though there are at least 2 other female characters who will be major (Fuli and Tiifu). And personally I think the lioness cub with Timon on her head looks pretty tomboyish, all we can do is wait and see.  And I'm not sure Lyon, I'll look into it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 15:27:43 GMT
I dont care about who they are or what there personality type is, they are fresh new TLG lion that are female, I cant wait to get there plushies! |
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Post by Tamber on Oct 30, 2015 16:19:12 GMT
Though this isn't the place to do it, I think a conversation about portrayals of women in media could be beneficial on this forum. It doesn't need to be a feud - for the most part I don't think it has been. Unfortunately, issues surrounding women attract a huge amount of defensiveness and anger. This is what Gamergate has arisen from - one woman's opinions about problematic portrayals of women in video games has resulted in a massively outraged response, complete with stalking and death threats.
As fans of popular media, I think we need to learn how to observe and make criticisms about the things we love without asumming the people making those criticisms are trying to ruin our fun. I think we need to reevaluate our concept of "strong female character," which is so often used just because a woman is 1) in a leading role or 2) less "like a girl" and more "like a boy." I think we need media - yes, even cartoons - that makes a point of representing women and girls intelligently, as Lyon pointed out MLP does.
But I don't know ANYTHING about the characters in this show other than what I've read. I'm not sure how we could have a smart conversation about them now without digging ourselves into holes of speculation. But I made an observation based on the information I have,just like the rest of us are doing.
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Post by Pulsar on Oct 30, 2015 18:17:10 GMT
Though this isn't the place to do it, I think a conversation about portrayals of women in media could be beneficial on this forum. It doesn't need to be a feud - for the most part I don't think it has been. Unfortunately, issues surrounding women attract a huge amount of defensiveness and anger. This is what Gamergate has arisen from - one woman's opinions about problematic portrayals of women in video games has resulted in a massively outraged response, complete with stalking and death threats. As fans of popular media, I think we need to learn how to observe and make criticisms about the things we love without asumming the people making those criticisms are trying to ruin our fun. I think we need to reevaluate our concept of "strong female character," which is so often used just because a woman is 1) in a leading role or 2) less "like a girl" and more "like a boy." I think we need media - yes, even cartoons - that makes a point of representing women and girls intelligently, as Lyon pointed out MLP does. But I don't know ANYTHING about the characters in this show other than what I've read. I'm not sure how we could have a smart conversation about them now without digging ourselves into holes of speculation. But I made an observation based on the information I have,just like the rest of us are doing. While it would make for an interesting discussion, I'm going to have to say no to that idea. There's always too much difference of opinion, misunderstanding and aggression around those sorts of things. I'd rather keep that off TLKGO. There are plenty of outside places and ways for you guys to discuss such things, maybe make a Skype group for it or something like that. |
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Post by KanuTGL on Oct 30, 2015 22:10:44 GMT
I find it veery interesting how the discussion of female representation in media gets infected so fast :'D Anyway! I'm excited to see Tiifu and Zuri's designs up close They do look really nice! I love Tiifu's little freckles and ear markings <3 I too am a little iffy about Zuri's personality description so far. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they've taken a hint from MLP:FiM and seen that a "sassy", "fashionable" character can be done right, like Lyonize said. Could Disney be that bold? To venture outside the usual character tropes and work in more depth? o: Less than a month until the release now - eeeee!  |
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Post by Leorgathar on Oct 30, 2015 22:34:56 GMT
Haha, I too thought of Rarity reading that description of Zuri xD Both cubs look utterly adorable! I'm loving the designs, I can't wait to see them in action! Like I always say, I'll reserve my judgement until I've seen it, but my hopes are getting a bit higher again |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 2:13:12 GMT
NEW TRAILER! |
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Post by Zorayda on Oct 31, 2015 2:31:32 GMT
simba doesn't sound like himself at all xD Oh well, I actually am really liking the art style though!
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Post by Leorgathar on Oct 31, 2015 3:12:33 GMT
Awwwr, I can't see it, not available in my country ><
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Post by Ruby_Fehu on Oct 31, 2015 4:49:20 GMT
Awwwr, I can't see it, not available in my country >< Neither could I, but with a quick google search I found a version I can view, so you should be able to hopefully view it too The art style is growing on me too Zor, Simba's voice is going to take some getting used to, but I guess he does sound similar-ish to Matthew Broderick. I'm just glad they got James Earl Jones and Ernie Sabella back lol. I'm most curious to hear how Nala sounds though. |
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Post by Leorgathar on Oct 31, 2015 11:03:21 GMT
I can see it now, thanks Ruby! Yeah, Simba's voice is slightly different, but I can live with that |
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As far as I'm aware, that was never addressed in the films, but I remember Nuka talking about how the hyenas had left the graveyard. Personally I always assumed the outlanders drove them away, but.... yes. xD
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