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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 12:41:51 GMT
Some of you might have heard about this already, but I thought I would post about it here. It appears that Disney is working on a new Lion King TV series called The Lion Guard. It's suppose to be about Simba's son Kion, who gathers a group of animals to create the Lion Guard. Obviously, to those who have read the Six New Adventures books, Kion is pretty much Kopa. Here is a link to the blog that was written about it on The Wall Street Journal.
blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/06/09/disney-junior-plans-preschool-animated-series-based-on-the-lion-king/?mod=e2tw
What do you all think about this? I have mixed feelings about it. For one, I don't know where this occurs on the timeline. I'm assuming that it's before Kiara is born, which really would make him a renamed Kopa, but if that's not the case then this could screw up some things. Also, a lot of people have been saying this and I agree with them, I hate that they made Kion a Simba copy. He looks like Simba in almost everyway aside from the mane and that stupid paw tattoo. |
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Post by For Her on Jun 10, 2014 15:15:41 GMT
Hmm... It's slightly annoying when they can't stick to their own canon. I like it for being TLK, but I'm not sure about how good it's going to be. FH out.
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Post by Ruby_Fehu on Jun 10, 2014 16:41:26 GMT
I think it would be good to make the younger generation learn to love TLK the way we all do. 'Kion' is basically Kopa though in looks which like you said is infuriating. And I'm assuming it'll be before Kiara was born because if it was when Kiara was a cub it would be pointless - the idea that Simba lets one cub roam free but not the other *shrug* They've done stuff like this before (as stated in the article - the pirate, the princess etc.) and it has been successful. It is most likely for the celebration of TLK's 20th anniversary but at the same time it may just be for money (which we all know Disney tends to do!) They really should have edited the looks a bit though. I get he's probably supposed to be like Kopa but they could have made it more authentic and less lazy because like you said it's basically Simba with a little quiff type thing lol and the paw tattoo, which doesn't make sense to me. Basically I do like the idea but at the same time it annoys me, I think it's good though because some of the people who were children/babies in 94 are now in their twenties and are having their own children so it seems to be following on the tradition because it's kind of obvious that if you had a child you'd want them to see what one of your favourite childhood movies was/is (me included. I'd want any children I had to watch TLK at least once) so it makes sense but at the same time I just wish they'd been more creative in how 'Kion' looks and focused maybe instead on teen Simba or cub Kiara (I know teen Simba was touched upon in TLK 1 1/2 but not much) They should have maybe thought it through more before announcing it though  |
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Post by For Her on Jun 10, 2014 16:53:10 GMT
And I'm assuming it'll be before Kiara was born because if it was when Kiara was a cub it would be pointless - the idea that Simba lets one cub roam free but not the other *shrug* A common theory is that Kopa was killed by Zira (or that he maybe got away and lived his life in the jungle or something.). That would explain Simbas overprotectiveness in film 2. Also, I am quite interested in what voice actors they will use. |
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Post by mane6 on Jun 10, 2014 18:19:07 GMT
The voice actors are probably going to be really bad. Watching my sister at home. [Babysitting] I see her watch the Disney Junior, and most of the characters have really squeaky and really annoying voices. But im still going to look at it. Yah never know, it could be good.
But a paw tattoo? Thats insane! And basically they`ve ruined fans creativity of Kopa now. Brilliant. -Mentally Facepalm-
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Post by Ruby_Fehu on Jun 10, 2014 18:48:09 GMT
I've heard that theory FH, like you said it's the most popular one. And I'll probably watch an episode out of pure curiosity lol
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Post by mane6 on Jun 10, 2014 19:10:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 20:50:42 GMT
If Kino is the second born son, then this HAS to be after Simba's Pride. Unless Disney is saying that Kino was there during that movie but never appeared once for some strange reason. I would love it if they had the original voices in this, but I can't imagine they would. Hopefully they will though.
I seemed to have missed the part about how they were going to release a 1 hour movie two months before the start of the series. I don't care if this ends up being a good show, I won't consider that movie to be TLK 4.
I agree with you Clary, though I think it's for both the anniversary and more money. I don't mind that they are trying to get the younger generation into it, but at the same time I'm worried about it. The Lion King was a kid's movie, but it was also kind of dark, I guess that I'm just afraid that they will make this too kiddie friendly, they kind of went in that direction with TLK 1 1/2.
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Post by Ruby_Fehu on Jun 10, 2014 22:26:53 GMT
Which means Kovu will be in it too. It would make more sense if it was Kiara and Kovu's cub. There really is going to be a lot of explaining to do in this TV show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 22:56:06 GMT
I just read another blog on the Disney Insider about it. It's the same information, but it said that there were going to be special appearances by Mufasa, Timon, Pumbaa, Rafiki, Zazu, and Kiara. There was nothing about Kovu, Simba, or Nala, which I find strange considering that Simba and Nala are his parents. I'm also surprised that they didn't mention Kovu, either they don't plan to show him, or this show is going to take place a little earlier in the timeline.
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Post by Lyonize on Jun 12, 2014 8:35:20 GMT
Yeah, you guys might see me around here more often now. I'm so hyped for this! The TLK fan in me is suddenly reawakening after all this time! It's funny, all my brony friends are getting excited and changing their avatars to TLK related pictures and I feel like such a hipster when I tell them that I was a TLK fan before MLP:FIM was a thing!
I see Kion has got quite the mane growing in. It reminds me of a certain Mr. Banana Beak telling Simba something along the lines of "I'v never seen a king of beasts with quite so little hair." Looks like this maybe confirms that Simba was a little late on the whole puberty thing after all?
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Post by KanuTGL on Jun 13, 2014 12:47:31 GMT
I'm super excited about this But I think the fans should drop the rage over Kion not being Kopa. I think a lot of people have forgotten: Kopa is a completely unknown character outside of the TLK fandom - the only place where he is famous is among "us". I actually doubt that the creators of this show even know he exists. And even if they do, why would they go "Oh, here's a little character from an obscure set of books some author made up 15-something years ago that no one has heard of. Let's make him the star of the show!" instead of creating a brand new one? Kopa isn't canon, he is what the fandom likes to call semi-canon. And Kion is much, much more "official" than Kopa ever was. Apart from making another full-blown feature film, this is as canon as it gets Then as to what the show will actually be like, I can't say I'm expecting something as brilliant as MLP:FiM, but those screenshots look reeally nice and I'm just so glad that it's being done in 2D, haha! But the fact that they've now created an official, company endorsed son of Simba and are making a TV show about him is soo cool  It is exactly the cartoon that I wanted when I was little XD |
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Post by Lyonize on Jun 13, 2014 16:46:38 GMT
I didn't know there was tons of butthurt about the Kion/Kopa thing but I agree with you, Kanu. Though it would be fun to have Kopa as a main character, that would be pretty limiting to the writers. There's a small window as far as we know between the time Kopa is born and the beginning of Simbas Pride. Not to mention, the books involving Kopa already fill in some of that space. I can't imagine there's much room to be creative with the storyline when you're limited like that. Making it take place AFTER Simbas Pride (assuming that is the time period it's going to take place in considering Kion is nonexistent in Simbas Pride) gives infinite possibilities for story arcs and new characters without messing with the canon already set in stone by TLK 1 and 2. And speaking of MLP:FIM and the creators of the new show, it isn't unheard of for writers and developers to give little shoutouts to the fans. I don't know if Disney has ever done this but Hasbro and DHX do it all the time with the fans of MLP:FIM. The whole "Derpy" thing being one of the most blatant examples. It'd be cool if Disney made small shoutouts to the fans of The Lion King in the same way! I'm not getting my hopes up but one can dream, I suppose! Haha. On a side note, I'm kind of excited to see Kovu and Kiara together as husband and wife. They're just adorable like that.  |
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Post by For Her on Jun 13, 2014 20:15:15 GMT
Well, the way I see it, it still works with Kopa. Simba and Nala get Kopa, Kopa gets murdered, Simba and Nala get Kiara, *film 2*, Simba and Nala get Kion. Why do they all start with K?
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Post by mane6 on Jun 14, 2014 20:37:41 GMT
Its obvious the cause of the lion king.. was.. *Le gasp*
PINEAPPLES.
Discussion ended. Beep boopble
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 4:57:14 GMT
!!!VERY SAD DISAPPOINTING NEWS!!! The voice actors for the original characters will not be the same, there will be different ones this time, all because the original voice actors had to "MOVE ON" T T  (start spreading the word out) |
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Post by Leorgathar on Jul 19, 2014 9:12:58 GMT
Hmm I actually expected that. It's been quite a long while since SP came out, so it doesn't surprise me at all. I might be saying an unpopular opinion here, but I don't think it's a big deal, really |
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Post by mane6 on Jul 19, 2014 10:02:48 GMT
Oh god. Que the terrible voice actors.
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Post by Jetstar on Jul 19, 2014 10:16:10 GMT
I wasn't really expecting the originals to be fair. I know the one who played kovu is a cartoon voice artist but the rest have kinda bigger acting careers in a sense. What I mean is they do have bigger roles to play than a cartoon series of a movie they were in. I mean in the cartoon series of Kung Fu Panda, Jack Black, Angelina Jolie and Jackie Chan aren't voices in it. So I just wasn't really expecting it. :/
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Post by The-odd-crow on Jul 19, 2014 16:35:38 GMT
I agree with Kanu too. I would just have adored this series when I was small (and most likely will today too haha) Something I really like about Kions design is the fact that he actually resembles Mufasa quite alot, his body shape mosly. And I kinda like his wierd mane, he got his own thing going there lol  All in all, even if thy're making a series in a different timeline ( considering the fact that Kion was never seen in TLK 2) then the original films I am super excited about this and Is really looking forward to see the whole fandom bloom again! Think of all the fan comics that will show up after the series air! |
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Post by Pulsar on Jul 19, 2014 21:20:48 GMT
I'm neither condemning or praising this till I get to see it.
While I didn't expect the originals, I don't expect the ones they hire for it to be bad either.
It always creates mixed feelings in a fandom when the creators do something new but you can never please everyone. I'm not bothered about whether or not it follows ALL the movie canon or if it breaks it etc. It's worth keeping in mind that Disney MADE the canon, saying they can't do something because it breaks the current one is like telling an author like J.K. Rowling or George R. R. Martin, etc that they can't do X in their books because of Y. You can't tell a creator of something they can't do something to their creation because they're the ones that established everything about it.
I always get peeved at die-hard fans in a fandom that freak out over something like this. Nothing says it needs to be linked to the current canon.
But that's just my two cents.
Either way, I'm just happy they're expanding TLK. I'd take an addition that could be a hit or a miss then nothing at all.
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Post by For Her on Jul 20, 2014 20:15:30 GMT
I'm neither condemning or praising this till I get to see it. While I didn't expect the originals, I don't expect the ones they hire for it to be bad either. It always creates mixed feelings in a fandom when the creators do something new but you can never please everyone. I'm not bothered about whether or not it follows ALL the movie canon or if it breaks it etc. It's worth keeping in mind that Disney MADE the canon, saying they can't do something because it breaks the current one is like telling an author like J.K. Rowling or George R. R. Martin, etc that they can't do X in their books because of Y. You can't tell a creator of something they can't do something to their creation because they're the ones that established everything about it. I always get peeved at die-hard fans in a fandom that freak out over something like this. Nothing says it needs to be linked to the current canon. But that's just my two cents. Either way, I'm just happy they're expanding TLK. I'd take an addition that could be a hit or a miss then nothing at all. Disney didn't technically create the canon. Script writers and instructors like Don Hahn did. Disney cannot change the canon, they can only make additions. Even if they change it, a lot of fans will simply disown it. Thus it will be incredibly tough for Disney to make us accept something that changes a 20 years old film that is our fandom. Unless it's AU, as you stated. Then it would be fine. |
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Post by Moonbacon on Jul 20, 2014 21:38:24 GMT
All of my hopes and dreams for this all down the drain.
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Post by Pulsar on Jul 21, 2014 0:04:25 GMT
Disney didn't technically create the canon. Script writers and instructors like Don Hahn did. Disney cannot change the canon, they can only make additions. Even if they change it, a lot of fans will simply disown it. Thus it will be incredibly tough for Disney to make us accept something that changes a 20 years old film that is our fandom. Unless it's AU, as you stated. Then it would be fine. Maybe so, but he and all those who worked on the movie were under Disney's employ. That means that the rights to everything about The Lion King is Disney's as a corporation, not Don Hahn. The concept is the same as video games, the intellectual property belongs to the company that payed the people that created it, not the people themselves. Disney have every right to add onto the canon any way they see fit. The fandom may not agree with it, but that doesn't change that it's canon. Just like Star Wars fans don't like the prequel movies and choose not to acknowledge them, doesn't make them not canon. You are correct though, you can't change something that is, but they can add to it. But Disney will make anything they want. The fact is that the TLK fandom is small, the average person that likes the movie won't be emotionally invested enough to care about this new addition. That means that Disney won't really care about upsetting us. They don't also need to make us accept the new additions. It's like saying that standing in front of a tank and saying you won't acknowledge it will stop it from running you over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:27:36 GMT
If you read all the News articles of the TLG out there you will notice it says Kions "OLDER" sister Kiara  , this means this wont be when she is a cub, Kions spotlight will be when Kiara is already an adult, either before she goes on her first hunt or After TLK2 And I think the paw print tatoo is cute, I mean whats wrong with a little appearance twist? I mean look at us we created our on role play characters using our own imagination with twists of appearances,think of it this way, Lion cubs have faint spots on them, the paw print is probably there to make up for that even though cub Simba didn't show any cub spots  . Now it would be ridiculous if they a blue lion in the show or something that WOULD BE going to fare, point is I see nothing wrong with he paw print, Its cute and I like it  , he could have been naturally born with it, OR RAFIKI might show him putting it on him  . |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 3:04:57 GMT
Well for all we know now and all the research that we read, in conclusion right now/for now/until more information is released (as the wait is so torture), I say what will come and what will be, as a dedicated loyal TLK fan I will still support it all the way as much as I can no matter how cheesy they make it , and... I would like to share this music Video, that I love so much, I dedicate it to our future Prince Kion enjoy Also when they say the Lion guard is going to be like Jake and the Neverlands Pirates and Sofia the first...... I will say that I love watching Sofia the first, but I had not seen Jake and the Neverland Pirates, till now, I just watch one of the episodes and after seeing it, I realized its at a lower level the Sofia is.... I did some more research between both shows, and found how more about age wise, it says that both Jake and Sofia are for ages 2-5, but I think Sofia is more for 2-7, and for the Lion guard it says 2-7, They better not make it as the same level as Jack  , I hope its just as good as Sofia or better. |
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Post by Pulsar on Aug 5, 2014 22:26:55 GMT
Goth, if you have something to add to a topic and no one else has yet posted after you, please edit the last post and add the extra details there. Double-posting etc is against forum rules.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 0:36:57 GMT
Here are the new Characters    Kion - the young son of Simba and Nala who assembles a group of animals to protect the Pride Lands Simba - the king of the Pride Lands, and the father of Kion and Kiara Nala - the queen of the Pride Lands, and the mother of Kion and Kiara Kiara - the future queen of the Pride Lands, and the older sister of Kion Rafiki - the adviser of the Pride Lands Zazu - the majordomo of the Pride Lands Timon - a meerkat who is the childhood friend of Simba Pumbaa - a warthog who is the childhood friend of Simba Bunga - a honey badger who is part of the Lion Guard Fuli - a cheetah who is part of the Lion Guard Beshte - a hippo who is part of the Lion Guard Ono - an egret who is part of the Lion Guard here is a video update |
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Yet we don`t know if this thing will have proper voice actors for Kiara, Simba, Nala and a drop in from Mufasa and Zazu.
It is exactly the cartoon that I wanted when I was little XD
(start spreading the word out)
, this means this wont be when she is a cub, Kions spotlight will be when Kiara is already an adult, either before she goes on her first hunt or After TLK2
. Now it would be ridiculous if they a blue lion in the show or something that WOULD BE going to fare, point is I see nothing wrong with he paw print, Its cute and I like it 
, he could have been naturally born with it, OR RAFIKI might show him putting it on him 
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, I hope its just as good as Sofia or better.
Also added Christmassy snow and banner :3
